Who is Worse: Nazis or Communists?

This is only a debate to silly goofs with no knowledge of history who believe the " Stahlen kild moar peeple than hitlar! " meme.

So firstly, you have to understand that Communism was an infinitely more popular/successful/widespread ideology than National Socialism and Fascism combined. And Marxist ideals gained a foothold in the Soviet Union and China which were two countries with massive populations. Much larger than Germany, Hungary, Italy, etc. And Marxism was going strong for 70 years, while Fascism/National Socialism had about a 20 year high. Marxist based ideologies essentially ran half the world for 50 years.

If we consider ideology, Marxism is a more generically generous/progressive ideology. In almost every country that Marxist groups came to power in, the people in that country had their living standards improved and their culture/society modernized. Fascism brought no wave of progress nor a massive improvement to any of the countries it touched, National Socialism did somewhat improve the lives of German citizens and the Germans did do well during a time of economic depression for the most part, so National Socialism can get this as a + but Marxism still beats it out.

Now we get to everyone's favourite topic, " Death tolls "
Lets go with the big Marxist based states first.

- Soviet Union = Directly responsible for around 8-13 million deaths 1920-1991. Directly meaning...executions, people dying in prison camps, assassinations, relocations, so on. If you want to believe the famine of 1933 was a purposeful action, then add 7 million and end up at the 20 million number. But considering Stalin was one of the few people who defended Ukrainian statehood in the Kremlin and during the famine of 1933 the Soviet Union redirected food from Kazakhstan to Ukraine and also that region was prone to famine in the past, it's a bit silly to claim it was purposeful. So 8-13 million. 7 million of that is people dying in work camps, one million of that are Afghanis.

- China = Mao killed 80 million! Well, not really. Poor knowledge of economics, science and peasants lying about their production output starved almost 50 million people. So what about the other 30 million they claim? Well, certainly hundreds of thousands of people were killed during the Cultural Revolution period, and I don't doubt that millions died in work camps and a few million more were executed in the 7 decades of modern China's existence, plus many Vietnamese were killed in a border war and so on. So I think the logical number for China would be around 15 million, maybe a few more.

- Eastern Bloc = Not even in the millions.

- Cuba, Marxist DPRK, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Angola, South Yemen, Mongolia, bla bla = Throw in a few million more.


The number you're going to end up on is most likely somewhere around 30 million. That's in 70 years, that's dozens of countries, many during times of war or high tensions/fear of espionage-subversion. Now for our Fascist and National Socialist friends.

Italy = The Italians committed genocides against the Libyan and Ethiopian people= 700,000

Germany = We'll put the whole Holocaust on Germany, but many other countries helped. 5.5 million Jews, 20 million Slavs, hundreds of thousands or into a million of Roma, dissidents, homosexuals, cripples, etc. And Germany is quite unique, as these deaths were almost all civilians and it was does systematically. It wasn't some people being brought out into the woods and executed for anti-government stances, it was 10's of millions of people shoved in camps, having their villages burned down.

Now I'm not saying the nonsense that SS soldiers were making lamps out of jew babies, but they were murdering entire villages of Poles, Byelorussians and so on.


Fascism and National Socialism kill around 25-27 million people in 20 years. Under the conditions of war and colonialism, but still not excusable.



^ This is a very basic and quick run down, these numbers are not exact and a lot was left out of course, but from my studying over the years I'd say this is about accurate.^ But I am tired and may be forgetting some things.

I did actually. But I'm a hardcore nerd so that's ok

personally I see both as problematic

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Das Kapital. The critique is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical econimocs most of the propositions will go over a typical worker's head. There's also Marx's utopic outlook, which is deftly woven into his political theory - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Pierre-Joseph Proudhon literature, for instance. The members of the party understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this ideology, to realize that they're not just liberating the workers- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Das Kapital truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning in Marx's existencial catchphrase "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," which itself is a cryptic reference to a perfect worker's paradise. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Marx's genius unfolds itself on their panphlets. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Karl Marx tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

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