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Post by edr on Feb 4, 2015 9:11:02 GMT
Just because they're not missing anything doesn't mean the meta should be valve-closed to the other guys not in a position of power to other alliances.
This is a forum, not a super sekrit negotiation place.
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Post by linksith on Feb 4, 2015 15:40:59 GMT
Yet secret negotiations happen elsewhere yet still contribute to the meta. I've seen it happen before. That being said I'd rather it happen on the forum than elsewhere. Perhaps it should rather be taken up by vote.
Perhaps the vote should be among those who can see the board because it's their ability of secracy that would be disclosed. Rather than those not involved voting to disclose because they can't see it. What say you? Logical?
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Post by andyrewwer on Feb 4, 2015 15:56:47 GMT
Yet secret negotiations happen elsewhere yet still contribute to the meta. I've seen it happen before. That being said I'd rather it happen on the forum than elsewhere. Perhaps it should rather be taken up by vote. Perhaps the vote should be among those who can see the board because it's their ability of secracy that would be disclosed. Rather than those not involved voting to disclose because they can't see it. What say you? Logical? Honestly I think if there isn't a "secret" place on the forum for meta among elite I expect one of two things happen: 1. The little meta there is goes away 2. The little meta goes to comms/irc another channel where some people will be excluded
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Post by linksith on Feb 5, 2015 8:34:59 GMT
Yet secret negotiations happen elsewhere yet still contribute to the meta. I've seen it happen before. That being said I'd rather it happen on the forum than elsewhere. Perhaps it should rather be taken up by vote. Perhaps the vote should be among those who can see the board because it's their ability of secracy that would be disclosed. Rather than those not involved voting to disclose because they can't see it. What say you? Logical? Honestly I think if there isn't a "secret" place on the forum for meta among elite I expect one of two things happen: 1. The little meta there is goes away 2. The little meta goes to comms/irc another channel where some people will be excluded My thoughts exactly
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Post by Henry on Feb 6, 2015 7:27:53 GMT
Honestly I think if there isn't a "secret" place on the forum for meta among elite I expect one of two things happen: 1. The little meta there is goes away 2. The little meta goes to comms/irc another channel where some people will be excluded My thoughts exactly That's absurd though, the meta will always have secret irc rooms for coalitions, negotiations, etc. It's just a fact for games like this. IRC is fast, quick, and easy for talks of that matter. (btw: I think you guys should make another channel for Bloc, the current one is pretty dead and the moderation is negligent) The chances of wars being settled on the forums is very slim, it's mostly for shitposting. Not to mention, that federation leaders won't make secret agreements where others can look; most of this does happen in comms, forum pms, and whatever more convenient method you can imagine. The point for forums is for the general masses to look, comment, and voice their opinion on what goes on in the game in a neat and concise manner. What you're saying is that in order for this not to be exclusionary, we must have a secret board (mind you, most people who play this game don't lead alliances) that excludes the rest of the players. It's contradictory for a game like this.
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Post by andyrewwer on Feb 6, 2015 8:25:26 GMT
That's absurd though, the meta will always have secret irc rooms for coalitions, negotiations, etc. It's just a fact for games like this. IRC is fast, quick, and easy for talks of that matter. (btw: I think you guys should make another channel for Bloc, the current one is pretty dead and the moderation is negligent) The chances of wars being settled on the forums is very slim, it's mostly for shitposting. Not to mention, that federation leaders won't make secret agreements where others can look; most of this does happen in comms, forum pms, and whatever more convenient method you can imagine. The point for forums is for the general masses to look, comment, and voice their opinion on what goes on in the game in a neat and concise manner. What you're saying is that in order for this not to be exclusionary, we must have a secret board (mind you, most people who play this game don't lead alliances) that excludes the rest of the players. It's contradictory for a game like this. If it bothers you so much, create a small alliance and then tell linksmith and bosh you can see it Really there is nothing happening there so it's a non-issue
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Post by Henry on Feb 6, 2015 20:20:04 GMT
That's absurd though, the meta will always have secret irc rooms for coalitions, negotiations, etc. It's just a fact for games like this. IRC is fast, quick, and easy for talks of that matter. (btw: I think you guys should make another channel for Bloc, the current one is pretty dead and the moderation is negligent) The chances of wars being settled on the forums is very slim, it's mostly for shitposting. Not to mention, that federation leaders won't make secret agreements where others can look; most of this does happen in comms, forum pms, and whatever more convenient method you can imagine. The point for forums is for the general masses to look, comment, and voice their opinion on what goes on in the game in a neat and concise manner. What you're saying is that in order for this not to be exclusionary, we must have a secret board (mind you, most people who play this game don't lead alliances) that excludes the rest of the players. It's contradictory for a game like this. If it bothers you so much, create a small alliance and then tell linksmith and bosh you can see it Really there is nothing happening there so it's a non-issue That's really just a passive aggressive way to deal with a real issue. The official forums never had these sekrit boards and it got on just well (minus the abysmal moderation choices). Just because there is only a thunderdome discussion there, doesn't mean there won't be future discussion that could prove interest to the rest of the community. Which, mind you all, I'm sure the rest of the populace would love to see the discussion going on from their leaders about it. Even if I was an alliance leader, I'd still advocate for the removal of the board. You're really just missing the point here; that board is contradictory to the spirit of the game forums.
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Post by andyrewwer on Feb 6, 2015 20:30:59 GMT
If it bothers you so much, create a small alliance and then tell linksmith and bosh you can see it Really there is nothing happening there so it's a non-issue That's really just a passive aggressive way to deal with a real issue. The official forums never had these sekrit boards and it got on just well (minus the abysmal moderation choices). Just because there is only a thunderdome discussion there, doesn't mean there won't be future discussion that could prove interest to the rest of the community. Which, mind you all, I'm sure the rest of the populace would love to see the discussion going on from their leaders about it. Even if I was an alliance leader, I'd still advocate for the removal of the board. You're really just missing the point here; that board is contradictory to the spirit of the game forums. Here are the choices: You can leave it like this and realize that as little stuff happening on the that board as the rest. Or you can not believe. Complain about a non-issue. The "real" forums didn't have a secret board because people actually went on IRC at the same time and lots of chats happened between people. TBH, there are no discussions are fine. Lets imagine we remove the exclusiveness of the board. Then the board dissapears because its useless. Alliance discussion between all alliance leaders becomes basically impossible and the meta stales even more. The spirt of the rest of the game forum? What is for you to say what that is? The spirit is not open communication between all, the spirit is mostly to shitpost and complain about Rumsod. Then vaguely find out about the meta of the game, knowing full well that secrecy is happening. At least here you know where the secrecy is. Instead of not even knowing how to get in and where the secrets are. It's an open 'fair' ish playing field. Dictated by seniority more than anything else.
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Post by Henry on Feb 6, 2015 22:15:00 GMT
That's really just a passive aggressive way to deal with a real issue. The official forums never had these sekrit boards and it got on just well (minus the abysmal moderation choices). Just because there is only a thunderdome discussion there, doesn't mean there won't be future discussion that could prove interest to the rest of the community. Which, mind you all, I'm sure the rest of the populace would love to see the discussion going on from their leaders about it. Even if I was an alliance leader, I'd still advocate for the removal of the board. You're really just missing the point here; that board is contradictory to the spirit of the game forums. Here are the choices: You can leave it like this and realize that as little stuff happening on the that board as the rest. Or you can not believe. Complain about a non-issue. The "real" forums didn't have a secret board because people actually went on IRC at the same time and lots of chats happened between people. TBH, there are no discussions are fine. Lets imagine we remove the exclusiveness of the board. Then the board dissapears because its useless. Alliance discussion between all alliance leaders becomes basically impossible and the meta stales even more. The spirt of the rest of the game forum? What is for you to say what that is? The spirit is not open communication between all, the spirit is mostly to shitpost and complain about Rumsod. Then vaguely find out about the meta of the game, knowing full well that secrecy is happening. At least here you know where the secrecy is. Instead of not even knowing how to get in and where the secrets are. It's an open 'fair' ish playing field. Dictated by seniority more than anything else. Mate, that board isn't the safeguard for the meta at all. The forums as a whole function as a tool where all players can interact with each other and that's why people play >bloc. The community interaction is essential for a shitty game like this to work the way it does. Regardless of whether that board stays or not, Alliance leaders will always talk privately away from prying eyes of others. You seem to think that without this board, the meta dies, and that is completely false. The slippery slope logic being used here is complete and utter nonsense. The forums don't need a board for alliance leaders to discuss things; every other board serves that need, but it includes the rest of the game with it. The spirit of any forums is for communication; You're mistaking the general attitude of the game as the spirit. Shitposting and complaining about rumsod being a shitty dev are a cultural thing this game has picked up. Yeah, secrecy is happening, but the 'arena' for secrecy this forum holds is patently retarded. First off, No alliance leader will make a secret pact where ALL OTHER ALLIANCE LEADERS can see; it's only secret for the majority of the game. Secondly, the board is a gateway for alliance leaders to conduct politics without having to answer to their constituents and that's my main problem. Every player should be able to look and see how the alliance leader conducts politics in a public setting and determine how it affects them. It's not fairish at all. if it was at least partially fair, then everyone who uses the forum would be able to observe what goes on in that board. In general, The board won't be a harbor for secrecy with things like RED and BLU type organizations, it promotes secrecy between the alliance leader and his constituents. Those secrets exist of course(mainly for fear of shills and threats to power), but it usually gets exposed pretty quickly and in the forums. The board widens the gap between alliance member and leader and it's just flat out asinine to condone this. The meta becomes stale when the forums disappear not a board that nearly everyone else can't see. Secrecy is a big part of >bloc, but it is usually player created and not run on what is supposed to be a public forum. If the board is useless, remove it; what's the point in keeping it then?
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Post by sirscarf on Feb 8, 2015 22:45:58 GMT
I'm just against the entire idea of it tbh. I feel it cuts off the majority of the game, and as a concerned alliance peon; I like to know about world politics. It's exclusionary to the majority of the game. Well, if you're active and interested enough to be concerned about it... That implies officer material C:
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Post by Papaya Man on Feb 9, 2015 12:27:00 GMT
There's no point for a sekrit klub board since everything alliance leaders post there are safe to be viewed by the public (you, linksith, and the other mods) anyway unless some idiot gets mixed in
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Post by andyrewwer on Feb 9, 2015 12:51:29 GMT
I'm ok with it being read for all, but only write by leaders or officers? Is that an appropriate compromise for everyone?
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Post by sirscarf on Feb 9, 2015 18:20:12 GMT
I'm ok with it being read for all, but only write by leaders or officers? Is that an appropriate compromise for everyone? I think this would solve most of the issues, yes. Also, I'm now an EUN officer :3
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Post by linksith on Feb 10, 2015 3:02:30 GMT
I'm ok with it being read for all, but only write by leaders or officers? Is that an appropriate compromise for everyone? This is a very nice idea and I can compromise easily with this
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Post by Henry on Feb 10, 2015 6:29:39 GMT
Very well.
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